Second Thoughts | Kindness: More Than Just Being Nice

May 9

The Ripple Effect: Why Small Acts of Kindness Matter: https://journey-with-care.captivate.fm/episode/s04e12/

Description

Is kindness more than just being nice?

In this thought-provoking conversation, Wendi and Johan Heinrichs delve into the nuances of kindness, contrasting it with mere niceness and examining its transformative power. Drawing from personal experiences and biblical insights, they explore how small and often unnoticed acts of kindness can create ripples that transform entire communities, much like the pollination work of bees. They challenge listeners to distinguish between genuine kindness and the facade of politeness, urging for deeper engagement and presence, especially in the face of complex and challenging issues like reconciliation with Indigenous communities. Wendi and Johan also reflect on the importance of sacrificial giving, the potential for kindness to provoke positive change, and how kindness can be integrated into daily life rather than seen as isolated projects.

Time Stamps

[05:39] "Finding Deeper Calling in Service"

[08:20] Acts of Kindness Connect to Faith

[11:00] Sacrificial Giving and Generosity

[13:49] Embracing Your Natural Impact

[16:31] "Kindness vs. Niceness: The Distinction"

[21:17] Reflecting on Kindness Amidst Tragedy

[23:27] Canadianizing Care Portal Challenges

[26:44] Care Lingo

Johan Heinrichs:
Talked about reconciliation, and a lot of the churches avoiding that were just being nice and saying, well, that's that's all passed. That's not who we are now. But that's one of those hard issues that we need to recognize and speak out the truth and love so that we can move forward. And it's not just being nice to the indigenous
Wendi Park:
people. No. We need to be able to sit with our discomfort. To even know what kindness looks like, have we asked the question?
Johan Heinrichs:
This is Journey with Care, a podcast by Care Impact where curious Canadians find inspiration to love others well through real life stories and honest conversations. What if we've been measuring kindness all wrong? We crave the big moments, those grand gestures, but what if the real impact of kindness happens in those moments no one sees? You know, sometimes we throw an icebreaker question in our interviews just for fun, you know, to get the conversation moving, something unexpected meant to loosen things up before we get into the deeper stuff. But this time with Zach so we're talking about our last episode with Zach Mantai. The ripple effects, small acts, big impact. We gave Zach this question, if kindness were a mascot, what would it be and why? And honestly, we weren't expecting anything deep or profound. He
Wendi Park:
was on point.
Johan Heinrichs:
Yeah. Like, his answer was a bumblebee, And it kinda drove our conversation and it kept coming up in the conversation. He described how bees, you know, tiny in size are crucial to the environment, how they pollinate other plants, and we wouldn't have plants without them, that sort of thing. And then he connected it back to kindness in a way that kinda stopped us in our tracks. Kindness works the same way. It's often unnoticed, but over time, it transforms communities. And that became the perfect metaphor for our episode and our conversation with Zach, small, unnoticed, foundational acts of kindness. So today, we're gonna lean into that conversation that we had with Zach because the smallest acts of kindness are like bees' pollination.
Johan Heinrichs:
I mean, we're not gonna talk about pollination here. We're not scientists. We're not gonna get into the weeds of that, but you wanna kick us off with what your thoughts were on our conversation we just had with Zach.
Wendi Park:
Yeah. There were so many thoughts, and in fact, it's been a lingering thought as I went on my day and as we're coming into here. I have a lot of thoughts on that, but, I did like the analogy with the the bumblebee, how many acts of kindness. You you don't get a jar of honey just because one bee goes to one amazing flower. It's just over and over again. It's continuously showing up in those small ways, seemingly small ways, but then also that that notion of we need to do this together. It's not like me doing a bunch of tiny acts makes all the difference. It's when I do it in community, when we all work in our strengths and and in the opportunities, when we're present in these places.
Wendi Park:
So I think there's a lot here that we can unpack today. Johan, what what were some things that you were thinking of as you left the the podcast?
Johan Heinrichs:
Yeah. There are a few things, but going back to that bee analogy, we didn't talk about it in the episode, but I was thinking about how bees produce honey, not necessarily for everybody else, but it benefits everybody else out of their abundance of just doing what they do. So like the small acts of kindness, it can actually benefit a whole community, not just the person you're being kind to. It's out of that abundance of goodness and being kind to others that it really benefits the whole community. So that's one thought that came to mind that I probably could chimed in on, but, you know, you guys were riffing, so I don't wanna interrupt you.
Wendi Park:
We never need conversation starters with Zach. We always have things to to talk about, which is a lot of fun. Another thing we really dove into was the whole idea of anti capitalism, thinking differently about our kindness. And it's not always an event that can be measured in grandiosity and something that's, like, flashy and wow. Sometimes it's fun to do those big deal things, but kindness can be in those little unmeasurable things. And how do you measure that? And the practicality that I'm sitting with is exactly what we were talking about with funders, with our donors, with the public. We have this need to have some measurables, and I'm not against that. I think what we measure matters.
Wendi Park:
But how do we measure and how do we quantify or validate small acts when they can't always be measured in the numeric ways, maybe qualitative ways? But over time, we don't have necessarily an instant, verification that when that piece of pollen gets brought back to the hive, that boom that produces this amount of jars of honey, it is something far greater and long standing. And so that is something that we always have to to wrestle with as nonprofits, wanting to perpetuate good and help other people do small acts of kindness.
Johan Heinrichs:
And that was definitely one of those themes that really popped up for me was how do we measure kindness? Like, what's the measuring stick for that? And I see that wrestler you're talking with. Like, I like knowing that what I do makes an impact. And if you don't see it, like, maybe you'll see it over time, but when you don't see it right away, it's really hard to say, you know what? I'm really glad I did that. I see the impact when you haven't seen that impact. Sometimes that instant gratification motivates us. Right?
Wendi Park:
Absolutely. But finding that deeper sense of calling, I think, is really important. And we talked about self awareness and understanding who we are made in the image of God and what God has called us to helps us helps me, anyway, show up every morning with a smile on my face to do hard things, to do it, anyway, even when we have nothing flashy on our website. People sometimes think, oh, you're you're the organization that has that care portal. You deliver beds. Well, sure, we we make sure that the church and the the social services and that family sleeping on the floor are connected in a family way in a very tangible way. But behind the scenes, there's so many other things that we're working on sitting at these tables with government, sitting at these denominational meetings and networking, and and showing up in these spaces and voicing when we need to, but often just listening where we haven't been creating understanding across these sectors. That is the hard work, and there is no tangible, visible things immediately.
Wendi Park:
We don't quickly see contracts being drafted up and people quickly wanting to build trust. It's over at that thousand cups of coffee of building trust, earning that trust, but showing up anyway. But for me, it comes down to that need to lean into our calling and who God has created us to be in dependency on God to show up anyway, that the results ultimately are up to him. That's above my pay grade, but I can show up in faithfulness in what God has called me to do, and I will do it. I don't have to question the master on what he's up to. I know it's part of something much bigger than Care Impact, much bigger than myself, but that helps me to show up and bring that pollen in one day at a time.
Johan Heinrichs:
And while we're motivated by impact, sometimes the reality is we're not always gonna see the impact.
Wendi Park:
That's right.
Johan Heinrichs:
The reality is sometimes when we invest, there's not gonna be any return on investment. Sometimes that bee gets squashed before it can make the honey. Right? Yeah. But I think one of the things that we don't see is that transformation in us when we do invest. When we are kind, like, what's the transformation in us? Not necessarily to those around us, but those small acts over and over again. It transforms us. And we also have to remember that Jesus, he gave up himself without any return. The only thing we can give him is our voluntary love and affection, and it's something that he doesn't even need.
Johan Heinrichs:
It's something he desires, but it's not something that he needs. He gave his whole life just for our benefit without having anything in return.
Wendi Park:
Yeah. %. And it brings us back to that that passage in Matthew 25. Those small acts kind of when did we give you that glass of water? When did we visit you in your prison? These seemingly unnoticeable things in society that people are like, when I do that in the name of Jesus, it's not so that I can become a a spiritual superpower, but as I just show up and be who God has created me to be and act in kindness and in natural unseen ways, I encounter Christ in those moments. I have an encounter with Christ that changes me, maybe not because I went to prison and I volunteered one time, but it's because I keep showing up. It's because I keep doing what God has called me to do. And I think that is the challenge, not looking for that instant gratification. Oh, now we've gone on a mission trip, so now we've experienced Jesus and live off of that.
Wendi Park:
It's like, no. How do we keep showing up? How do we see Christ in those everyday moments? And how is it changing and challenging us to be more like him.
Johan Heinrichs:
So let's talk a little bit about those small gestures versus the large grand gestures and the impact of those. I know, like, for me, like, I've been in ministry for quite a while, and I have to fundraise for a lot of that. So, like, some people decide not to give it all because they can't give that hundred dollars a month. They're like, well, I can't I can't afford a hundred dollars a month, so I'm just not gonna give anything because that's embarrassing to give that $10. Trying to tell people, you know what? Just you being behind me, that $510 a month, whatever you can afford, like, that means a whole lot to me. If if we can get a hundred people doing that, that makes a huge difference. And I mean, that's just a monetary example. But just thinking about those small gestures, how they can really add up to make a big difference.
Johan Heinrichs:
Did you have any thoughts on that?
Wendi Park:
Yeah. Well, it immediately brings me back to scripture again that widow's mite. I love the irony of that where there's people giving these large amounts and I imagine them almost like the modern day big checks and and these political moments where we take these checks. And no offense to those opportunities. Those are grand moments. However, Jesus is is flipping the the script here and says, if you give like this this widow, that is what I'm desiring. It's in the little things, but it's also not just because, oh, don't don't all just give Johan two pennies now even though we don't have pennies or a tunie, just because, oh, it's it's so scriptural. But she gave of what she had, and she gave sacrificially.
Wendi Park:
And what sacrifices for me, might be different than for you, Johan. For me right now in the in the lifestyle that I have with the family and the the dynamics that that I am called to right now, giving two hours to have a cup of coffee with somebody is my might. It it's something that's sacrificial. I have to adjust myself so that I can show up and be present in that. We can ask ourselves, what is not just giving out of the excess that we have, but what is giving even if it feels so tiny? What is giving sacrificially? Because we we want to be in those spaces. We're give God loves a cheerful giver. God loves when we act in justice and mercy, not out of compulsion, not because we have to out of a religious obligation. But when we come in a posture of generosity, it's not the dollar amount.
Wendi Park:
It's not the big acts or the outcome that needs to be, like, so flashy. It's what is it that we're doing and what God is calling us to do and do it sacrificially. And sacrifice sometimes is something that we we have a hard time with, particularly in the middle and upper class. We can give out of our comfort. We can we can do things out of philanthropy, and that is almost an exertion of power, Yohan. Like, where I have this disposable time. I I can hire this. I have a vehicle.
Wendi Park:
And out of vehicle. And out of that, I am empowered. I have this margin where maybe people in underprivileged capacities don't have that privilege to do. And so we give out of our excess, and we haven't really given out of sacrifice. Whereas the person that's living on the street and yet they still give the other person in the bus shelter their $5, I venture to say Jesus would have made a parable out of that one.
Johan Heinrichs:
And sometimes it's not looking at what's gonna be a sacrifice. It's just being obedient to what you feel the lord is asking you to do. And quite often, those two things align. So sometimes sacrifice and obedience are the same thing, but I don't wanna stand before the Lord and have him ask, hey, remember that time I told you to give? And me just say, yeah, I wasn't listening or I wasn't paying attention or that was gonna hurt too much.
Wendi Park:
Mhmm.
Johan Heinrichs:
Like, I don't wanna be in that situation. So really, I don't know if it's a balanced thing or just having that generous heart that's willing to give to any need that arises. I mean, I remember how Paul said it. He's like, I wish I had enough to give for every good work. And I kinda I kinda want that mindset. It's like, if there's a good work in front of me, I wanna be able to give to that. I might not always have something monetary to give, but how can I support that good work that is in front of me?
Wendi Park:
Yeah. And I think sometimes it's more natural than we think, and and we sometimes minimize what that small act that comes so naturally to you, Johan, what a gift it is to society, and how selfish it would be for us to to contain it. And it's almost like a false sense of humility of, like, oh, I little old me. I have nothing to give. But, no, you showing up with all that you are in obedience, we underestimate the impact of what you have to offer in those situations that might be the right word or the right action or the right presence that that other person needed, and we minimize what God can do through little things that he wants to do. And and we don't have to know the agenda that God he doesn't owe that to me. He asked me just to show up and to be present. So that should be a liberation, news for us, news of liberation.
Wendi Park:
I I think of the quote. I just quickly looked it up here, from Saint Francis of Assisi saying, start by doing what is necessary. That thing in front of us that God kind of, like, nudges us and says, like, go help that person cross the street or whatever it is. It could be so random. But start by doing what is necessary, then do what is possible, and suddenly, you are doing the impossible. And this is a man of God. This is somebody that was surrendered unto to Christ, but saying, just start with doing what is necessary, then do what is possible, what God expands our horizons. See the loaves and fishes expand.
Wendi Park:
I don't know. It started with loaves and fishes, and then suddenly you are doing the impossible. And I think sometimes we start off wrong. We think little old me, what could that little act of kindness or that posture of kindness really contribute to this massive situation? And we feel like we've minimized it. And yet, we have limited God for what the miracles we are a part of. Whether we see that before our eyes, if we ever hear of the account of what that meant to that stranger on the bus, we may never know. But let's not limit the miracles of God based out of acts and postures of kindness.
Johan Heinrichs:
And Saint Francis was I believe he was the patron saint of animals, So he probably knew all about the bees.
Wendi Park:
He probably loved the bees.
Johan Heinrichs:
He probably loved the bees. And, like, we're not just talking about monetary gifts and acts of service, but the core of what we're talking about is kindness.
Wendi Park:
Mhmm.
Johan Heinrichs:
And if you think about kindness, it's really not much of a sacrifice to be kind to one another.
Wendi Park:
Yeah. But but you know what? I was left with thinking after our last episode with Zach, and we just didn't get there, but I'm sure I would have loved to add it into the conversation. So I'll put it in here, and maybe you have some some thoughts on it. There's a difference between kindness and being nice. Because I think sometimes we equate them as as long as I'm just being nice to people, we are avoiding truth telling. We are avoiding brave love in those situations, and nice does not make a ripple effect. It actually it helps to keep things still because we're we're scared of making a ripple effect. We're scared of, like, rocking the boat, and we're scared of offending people, and we're scared of feeling discomforted.
Wendi Park:
So we're just gonna be nice. It's we can be avoidant with that. Whereas I think kindness, we can still speak the truth in love. We can we can still have boundaries without enabling people. We can care for the marginalized like that good Samaritan showing kindness through action, not just good intentions alone. It's not good vibes only. Like, he took action in that, and it is actively caring for the marginalized, not just giving a little token, but not looking them in the eye and being kind. Right? And Jesus warns against that performative kindness because it's sort of like the politically correct thing to do, maybe a virtue signaling, see, look, I I'm that person that that cares for fill in the blank.
Wendi Park:
Kindness can be subtle. It doesn't have to be seen, but niceness can enable harm. I I think if we could just if I could have one message to the church, stop being so nice and get to the root of the issue. Stop getting so nice and and see the elephants in the sanctuary because that's where kindness can grow. But let's not just skirt around everything. And there's kind ways to handle truth. There's kind ways to handle conflict. There's kind ways to do hard things, and it's in subtle postures of I'm not gonna avoid it.
Wendi Park:
I'm not gonna put my head in the sand, but we are going to choose to kindly work through these things. Just not saying, hi. How are you? Oh, good. Good. How are you? Like, that's being nice. Okay. My rant is over. What are your thoughts?
Johan Heinrichs:
Yes. That plasticky niceness that I don't think that is being kind. I think that's probably doing the opposite because kindness is speaking truth in love. Mhmm. And if we're avoiding the truth of of a situation, if we're avoiding the hard things, that's not kind. No. It's kindness to speak out truth so that we can journey on ahead in love.
Wendi Park:
Well and I wonder if we come across in in the the church sector being nice to people comes across could come across a bit like a used car salesman. We'll we'll tell you what you wanna hear. We're gonna give you that complimentary gross cup of coffee. We're gonna do what we can because we wanna make the sale. Now if we transfer that, we wanna see that person in distress. We wanna see them saved. Right? But how are we and I'm not saying we'd be jerks about it and just, like, oh, like, whatever. But being truthful and honest and being present, it's not even just calling them out on sin.
Wendi Park:
It's not even about that. It's creating belonging and presence and kindness without simply enabling so that we when we make the sale. And sometimes niceness can be transactional because we have a a a greater motive of something we want, and we think if we're just nice to them, then maybe they will change. I do believe I can sniff out a used car salesman, and that does not sniff like good news to me. I I would much rather people be honest. Let's let's bring it to the car analogy. I want somebody to say, you know what? This vehicle did have an accident. We fixed it up.
Wendi Park:
However, we're gonna just, like, check into the motor to make sure that everything is running. I want them to be honest and kind. I will build trust that way rather than them telling me what I wanna hear.
Johan Heinrichs:
And I think that's why a lot of the world avoids the church because they often will say the church feels so fake.
Wendi Park:
And
Johan Heinrichs:
they're they're avoiding the issues. I mean, this whole first season of Journey with Care, we talked about reconciliation with the indigenous people. And a lot of the church is avoiding that. We're just being nice and saying, well, that's that's all passed. That's that's not who we are now. But that's one of those hard issues that we need to recognize and speak out the truth and love so that we can move forward. And it's not just being nice to the indigenous people.
Wendi Park:
No. We need to be able to sit with our discomfort to even know what kindness looks like. Have we asked the question, what would kindness look like? Right now, we're they just discovered the bodies, that were missing, the murdered and missing, the two women. They just discovered the bodies in the landfill. Now how how tragic for one? But what how what is our response in our own backyard here in Winnipeg? What what is the response of the church? How how are we gonna reach out to those aunties, their children, the people in the community that are most affected? How do we show kindness in this situation? And what is that posture? Or we just kinda kinda block it out and say, okay. Well, it didn't affect me. I feel like we we skirt around. We we can walk on the other side of the road, so to speak, on a lot of political issues, a lot of cultural issues, a lot of historical pain.
Wendi Park:
And let's face it. It doesn't resolve itself because we just move on. We have to actually, have a posture of kindness towards reconciliation in the moment. It's having that cup of coffee. It's It's having that cup of coffee. It's having those conversations. It's going into hard places that make me uncomfortable, but that is kindness to say, what is it that I need to hear, and how can I respond? We don't have to be answers. We need to have a humble approach to that is kindness.
Johan Heinrichs:
Yeah. I wanna see the church come to the point where we're provoking those outside the church to wanna be in the church because of our kindness.
Wendi Park:
Mhmm.
Johan Heinrichs:
And it's that's not the way it is. Like, even the parable of the good Samaritan that you bring up, he was not a god follower. Like, the good Samaritan was not a Christian in in that scenario, but he's the one that offered kindness. And that's the one Jesus pointed us to saying, look what the good Samaritan did while the priest walked by and did nothing. Mhmm. So, like, where can the church become like the good Samaritan where we're provoking others to wanna be part of what God's building in his kingdom?
Wendi Park:
Yeah. And I think that is a script that's playing itself out in real time right now, Johan, as we're, navigating how do we Canadianize the care portal platform, which is a care sharing technology that connects a web, an ecosystem, it's beautiful, of service providers and churches and businesses to be able to collectively, care in meaningful ways in ways there those in community that are in hard places are advocating for, and we can come alongside and work with them. But one of the challenges that I think we come up against collectively as the church is not pointing out a church. It's it's kind of universal. Is if it's not our program, if it's not us initiating the kindness, is it meaningful? How do we track that? Because now we're not saying, okay. We're doing a a food bank or we're gonna provide the mattresses or we do a a backpack drive as if we take the initiative, we're actually now responsive to the community member that says, you know what? I'm sleeping on the floor and my social worker, and I need to find a solution so we can keep our family together. Now the church can respond to that, but it it's flipping the switch on kindness because now we're not in control. We're responsive.
Wendi Park:
So sometimes I will have people say, well, does that youth really need a smartphone? I I like, I really wanna help them, and I feel like I'm enabling them because kids these days are on on phones too much. And this is a real case and scenario. Case in point. And yet when we talk to the social worker who is working deeply with this youth who is aging out of care and saying, you know what? This is their only way to get that job. It's their only way to secure that apartment. So this is the starting ground. So I think kindness, we have to release some control. When we we give something, we don't have to make sure that they're free of addictions.
Wendi Park:
We don't have to be sure of how they're gonna use it. We need to release that and not look out at their outcomes as much as our posture to respond because that youth needs that. They should be able to voice that. And and even though it's vetted by by the agency, we shouldn't have to second guess that. We should do it. Don't let one hand know what the other one is giving. Hasn't to the Lord. And and I think if it was a modern day Matthew 25, he was saying, when did you give me a cell phone? Right? And yet that's what the posture he's he's inviting us to when we respond to care portal opportunities.
Wendi Park:
When did we serve you? And that's when he will say, well done, good and faithful servant. You gave of what you had. You were obedient with the little. Now I can trust you with more.
Johan Heinrichs:
So there's a lot of tensions and wrestlings in this conversation, but I think we're just gonna leave it there and let our listeners wrestle with it. Mhmm.
Wendi Park:
We'd love to hear your feedback.
Johan Heinrichs:
Yeah. My challenge would be, like, what does it look like to embrace kindness in a daily rhythm rather than a project? Mhmm. Rather than a specific need, what does it look like to embrace kindness in a daily rhythm? But we're gonna leave it at that. And now it's time for alright, Wendi. We are in our care lingo segment where we demystify these terms and phrases that we use in the caring circles. Today, our word is permanency planning. Now we had a few people chime in on the Care Impact podcast group, and I encourage our listeners to go visit and become a member so that you can also chime in. The word today is permanency planning.
Johan Heinrichs:
What did some of our group have to say?
Wendi Park:
Well, we had one person respond. Kathy responded saying, is it coaching someone how to buy a house? So I guess, like, finding a house is like a permanent, not a a rental situation. So maybe coaching. That's what one person thought.
Johan Heinrichs:
And then my mom chimed in, and she thought it might be birth control. I don't know what that means. If that's the first thing that came to your mind and you're listening to your son's podcast, I don't know.
Wendi Park:
Are you the youngest?
Johan Heinrichs:
I well, unless you consider the 50 foster children that they've had. I am the physic I am the homemade youngest. Yes.
Wendi Park:
So you you kind of ended the the birth order there. You were her permanency planning. It's like no more after after Johan.
Johan Heinrichs:
Now in true Johan fashion, I have two definitions that I might think what permanency planning means. Okay. Knowing that my son is almost 19 years old, you know, it's making sure your kid finally moves out when they're 30. This is permanency planning. You know, planning for them to move out before it gets really weird.
Wendi Park:
Okay.
Johan Heinrichs:
My other definition? Okay. Now Danica, my my daughter at 25 years old, carefully choosing that tattoo, so that thirty to forty years from now, thirty to forty years, that it still looks decent. Like, you don't wanna get that slinky tattoo and then your skin starts to sag,
Wendi Park:
all it. Sagging.
Johan Heinrichs:
And then all of a sudden, your slinky is having motion every time you walk around, you know? You don't want that. So you need permanency planning for your tattoos. And I encourage our listeners, whatever the real definition of permanency permanency planning is, do it for your tattoos for sure because no one wants to say that.
Wendi Park:
Like to challenge you, Yo, and you should get a matching one with your daughter. That would be real bonding.
Johan Heinrichs:
Yeah. I don't know if I could get a tattoo.
Wendi Park:
I don't know
Johan Heinrichs:
if I can do that.
Wendi Park:
You're closer to saggy than she is.
Johan Heinrichs:
Exactly. Although, at least I would I would know what it looks like in ten years from now because it's probably already there. Yeah.
Wendi Park:
Mhmm.
Johan Heinrichs:
Anyway, what's our real definition of permanency planning? You probably have some good insight into this one.
Wendi Park:
Well, been around the sun a few times and, a few adoptions later and fostering. So permanency planning is often used in social service lingo when social workers are creating case plans for the well-being of children. And so it's a child centered approach in saying, what is in the best interest of the child? And we all know permanency, matters for a child, that sense of security that they are are in a stable living environment. And it could be, returning home safely from foster care so that they have a a plan going permanently back home. It could be a reunification. It could be just a prevention from families separating due to crisis that they they create a permanency plan. It could be adoption or a kinship, customary care placement. It can mean a lot of things, but, ultimately, it means how do we create stability for the well-being of of a child.
Wendi Park:
So there you go. Permanency planning.
Johan Heinrichs:
Alright. There you have it. And one practical way, for permanency planning is getting involved with Care Portal. Correct?
Wendi Park:
That is right. So a lot of plans in the works. Of course, we aren't a case management system. Care portal simply advocates for those needs that support a lot of things that we, we advocate for through the portal. Our churches are responding to it. And did you know, side note here, Johan, over a thousand children have been served on the portal just here in Canada so far, in this pilot. But majority of those are permanency planning in helping families, biological families stay together.
Johan Heinrichs:
Well, there you have it. Not only did we give you a definition, we gave you a way to actually get involved. So, head over to careimpact.ca to get more information, and we'd love to get that to you. And if you wanna join our Facebook podcast group, we would love for you to come join us there. But until next time, remember to stay curious. Thank you for joining us on Journey with Care. To get more information on weekly episodes, upcoming opportunities, or to connect with our community, visit journeywithcare.ca, or find Care Impact on Facebook and Instagram, or just check the show notes for these links and all the links related to this episode. Share your thoughts, leave us a message, and be part of a network of individuals journeying in faith and purpose.
Johan Heinrichs:
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